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1.30am ‘is worth a try’

01 Mar, 2010 01:57 PM
ALBURY’S Mayor is prepared to try a 1.30am closing for the city’s pubs and clubs — if police can show it will reduce alcohol-fuelled late night violence.

Alice Glachan says the community has continually called for action from police.

She says if there are examples that early closing times reduce violence then the community should be prepared to give it a go.

“As a member of the community I cannot blame police for this proposal because we have been saying, for some time, that they need to do something,” she said.

“If the police have evidence to say this can work then a trial period is possible but they need to engage with the council, liquor accord, licensees and the community at large.

“Clearly we don’t want to go backwards.

“Police need to check their facts and make sure this will reduce the violence.

“While the statistics suggest that we have seen the problem lessen, clearly there is still some way to move forward because one knifing, one youth who dies through either drugs or alcohol, is simply one too many.”

On Saturday The Border Mail revealed that police were looking at a compulsory 1.30am closure for all late-trading Albury pubs and nightclubs in a bid to curb alcohol-fuelled violence in the city.

The plans have resulted in publican backlash and angered many under-30s but member for Albury Greg Aplin says licensees were well aware that a 1.30am closing was a fall-back position if the Dean Street violence continued.

“That was always on the cards when this was discussed,” he said.

“Clearly the lockout has helped but the repetitive nature of these incidents means drastic action is still required.

“I would need to be convinced that it has worked elsewhere and the fallout from people spilling onto the street en masse doesn’t lead to more violence.”

Mr Aplin said there was also a strong argument for more police.

“But whether they could stop what are most often random and spontaneous acts of violence is unknown,” he said.

“Of course what happens if the 1.30am shutdown is implemented with little or no impact on the violence?

“There is a question about whether earlier closing times will do anything to reduce the intake of alcohol or the uncontrollable nature of the people involved in the violence.”

The 3am lockout that began in 2004 was brought forward to 1.30am less than 18 months later.

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The key words here...alcohol-fuelled violence... suggests that violence is committed by overly intoxicated people. Is that the case?? Does anybody keep blood-alcohol records of defendants? I doubt it as they are rarely, if ever, apprehended on the spot. Maybe these offenders are just violent by nature in which case they should be treated as such. Perhaps look at at the model in Melbourne where offenders can be banned from the CBD. There also remains the issue of RSA which many commentators have mentioned but very little has been said by civic leaders or police. Why?? Why do bar staff undertake RSA training when there is no policing of the policy. As I commented before, if we took the same approach to road offending, we would have to shut down the Hume freeway after dark. It makes as much sense.
Posted by CircusMaximus, 1/03/2010 3:01:37 PM, on The Border Mail
i don't understand how this will stop it? So instead of the fights happening at 2.30am they will happen at 1.30am? whats the difference? I don't go out much so it doesn't bother me... i just think its pointless.
Posted by noone, 1/03/2010 3:23:45 PM, on The Border Mail
This is clearly not the answer to stopping violence on dean st. 1.30am closing would mean every single person who is out at that time, which is the busiest time for night spots around 1200 plus people all onto the streets at once as opposed to a few smaller groups here and there. The only way to stop violence or help prevent it is to actually hav police patrols regulary after 11.30 as security cannot leave the premises they are employed to be patrolling and it should not be their responsibility it's the police responsibility to keep the peace on the streets. Being a regular going out and also working at one of these venues I'd like to point out that people pre drink at home or go to smaller venues to pre drink before heading to the larger night spots and it's then when they are refused entry that the fights happen. Not inside the venues. As in the case of Larry the fight occurred down dean st and with the case of two weekends with the security guard being taken to hospital both instances the offenders were refused entry and turned violent. Police should be patrolling to see to control these instances. Us patrons who are out for fun shouldn't have to pay for others mistakes.
Posted by Stevie.s, 1/03/2010 4:04:41 PM, on The Border Mail
This may work, to stop serving at 1.30 plus more servalance cameras. I know two victims & what they went through with, pain & suffering, time off work, time in hospital, hosptal, dental, phisio,rehab expences. Please do it now.
Posted by ab, 1/03/2010 5:07:00 PM, on The Border Mail
Let's look at trying this, we need to educate on being responsible and let's see how this works. While the statistics suggest that we have seen the problem lessen, clearly there is still some way to move forward because one knifing, one youth who dies through either drugs or alcohol, is simply one too many. “As a member of the community I cannot blame police for this proposal because we have been saying, for some time, that they need to do something,” May this as well as community unusan let's get along together as australians not individual groups (sudanese etc) we are one country one nation, one community. What do we pleadge when becoming an australian citizen to abide by our laws. So wake up and do it together. I am proud to live inthis area, let's work at this together as a community
Posted by DK wodonga, 2/03/2010 11:31:37 AM, on The Border Mail
What I would like to know is the Albury City Council or NSW police force going to be paying the wages that current staff will lose by closing at 1:30am? Are they going to assist them in finding new employment? This will affect alot of staff at the various locations. What about them?Why punish the people that are doing the right thing and are working in the industry. We are trying to do our best to control aspects that we can but there needs to be more police presence as security guards arn't able to do alot once out of the venues.
Posted by Somebody, 2/03/2010 7:36:57 PM, on The Border Mail
I must be failing to see something, it seems the theory is that closing ealry means less drinking. Sadly thats not the case, a perfect example would be when the government added lollipop tax to all premixed drinks and the prices skyrocketed in the venues. Instead of reducing the amount people drank it simply put them at home imbibing larger amounts befor venturing out. As someone who works in this industry i can personally say that incidents from patrons that have been allowed access to the venues has dropped considerably over the past 12 months yet we constantly see dramas arise from people who have been turned away or simply arent old enough to be allowed entry. Earlier close times or cutoff times will not have a significant outcome on this behaviour and the sooner the police admit that they either arent doing their job or dont have the numbers to do it effectively and lobby the correct organisations this problem isnt going to go away. Seriously the late night traders cant be held accountable for doing their job by keeping minors and intoxicated people out of their place of business, once thats done its up to the police to issue fines and move them on
Posted by scott, 2/03/2010 10:05:51 PM, on The Border Mail
Where are the civil libertarians? What right has a totalitarian authority "the NSW Police", FORCE the general public their right of freedom to enter an establishment open for entertainment, for "budget cut reasons" or "lets create a lifestyle for police to work only during the day". We pay taxes do we not? These taxes are for our governments to provide facilities for the General Public; one of these is law and order. If there is a need for law and order at these times, then the government should provide or another local government. This is a democracy it is not communism. The venues are governed by a license from the Government, it seems an accountant is making the decision not a politician or a manager in the public service (lets save wages by reducing hours for the police force). The 6 o'clock swirl at the pub (many years ago), there was an extreme amount of domestic violence, so the Government increased the trading hours of pubs to prevent this, it worked.
Posted by bs, 2/03/2010 11:03:08 PM, on The Border Mail
Most people who commit violent offences after using alcohol are violent by nature anyway. And many acts of violence are also perpetrated by sober people. As Scot has said here in this forum, many people drink before going out, so they are off their faces when they arrive at licenced premises. Then they get served more alcohol while intoxicated, (illegally), and play up. Most people who drink are not violent, because their brains are not chemically imbalanced like some others who just have a NEED to get into a fight, or commit a violent act for no reason, such as "king hitting" another person. And some of the parents of these grubs need to have a long hard look at themselves too, because as cruel as this may sound, much of this anti social behaviour appears to be genetic.
Posted by Brian, 3/03/2010 8:39:02 AM, on The Border Mail
I can remember years ago, some clubs closed at 3 am. There were hardly ever any problems on the streets because we didn't have the ferals like we do now. And some females are just as bad as the males these days. The majority of people who go out, a even the ones who get drunk, (don't know why they HAVE to), do not cause trouble or behave in an anti social manner. But try getting police to attend quickly at anytime of the day or night in Albury and it's a joke. Not the fault of the frontline police either. By closing licensed premises at 1. 30 am is discriminating against those who do the right thing, who just go out socially for a good time. If the morons that cause the trouble were removed from the streets and into the cells a few times the message would soon get through. It's only because of a lack of police numbers, and knowing that often they won't be apprehended, that the idiots who seem to love violence flourish.
Posted by The Don, 3/03/2010 8:55:51 AM, on The Border Mail
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