Kathy Kelly wants to tell Border parents to hold their children close.
To sit around the kitchen table a couple of times a week and really listen, not just talk to them.
"Because once you lose them as a captive audience ... well, they can be gone."
Kathy - who lost her son Thomas Kelly to a one-punch killer and then his younger brother Stuart to suicide four years later - is among the keynote speakers at the Albury-Wodonga Winter Solstice on June 21.
She will share the story of how a family coped with one unimaginable tragedy, only to find it sowed the seed for another.
She has spoken to JODIE O'SULLIVAN of the terrible, torturous loss of her sons; of the anger and anguish of grieving parents, of family and friendships stretched and strained; and their unflinching public campaign to right what went wrong.